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| But I think what we're seeing in market conditions in real time, Kevin, is we're seeing a better rebound, if you will, after the Chinese New Year than we've seen over the last two or three years |
| These are public announcements of €250 a ton Chinese -- on the post New Year's, which ended just this past week, we've seen a pretty strong demand, both in volume and in pricing that's been publicly reported of around $150 a ton |
| So again, some good optimism going into the second quarter |
| And I think that what's going to be important this time or this year is that we just see a long steady recovery in volume and allowing us to recover the pricing as well |
| There's no way that an MDI company is operating a European market economics today and says we're making a strong return on capital, and we're proud of what we're doing today |
| So really coming, I think, to the end of the next year or two of being able to see the product being able to qualify the material and then being able to mass produce the material at economics that should make this a very -- hopefully, a very successful add-on to the rest of the business |
| But by and large, we're finishing first quarter in a much stronger position than we started first quarter on a pricing basis |
| But we would assume that as we continue to see an improvement in demand and improvement in pricing, that we'll see an improvement in earnings as well |
| And when you see MDI capacity utilization, usually somewhere in the mid- to upper 80s, particularly the upper 80s, pushing 90% you're going to see pricing power |
| But quite frankly, again, we're going to be clearly better than we were in 2023 |
| And I hope that, that builds momentum throughout the year |
| I think again, I publicly have said if you go back and look at the history of Huntsman, every five years, at least, there's been a major addition, a major divestiture, something that is has fundamentally changed that I believe has made us a stronger company, whether it's a sale going back 15 years ago of our base chemicals businesses 10 years ago of our TiO2 and some of our the basic pieces and so forth and more recently in the last five years of our intermediates and textile effects |
| With the restarting of China's economy post New Year celebrations, I feel more optimistic than I did at year-end and see more proverbial green shoes than I have over the past 12 to 18 months |
| construction market, at least from paper Housing starts were pretty good in the fourth quarter of 2023, up 6% after some big declines earlier in the year |
| And hopefully, effective March 1 here, we'll be successful in price increases |
| Lastly and most importantly, we will invest to continue improving our environmental and safety stewardship and our operating reliability |
| A year ago, we showed strong pricing discipline early in the year and in many cases, we held the line and kept pricing from falling faster than they otherwise would have |
| I think that as we look at Europe, it's going to be -- excuse me, as we look to Asia, it's going to be around continued pull that in automotive, for us, both ICE and particularly EV have been very strong end markets for us in urethanes in China |
| I think that as we look at Performance Products, we continue to see a gradual recovery in the construction markets, that's going to be an improvement from anhydride and the unsaturated polyester resin chain as you kind of move downstream into North America |
| China continues to improve as we have pointed out in the last couple of quarters that it would |
| However, the order patterns that I'm seeing in most areas of the world tells me that in most of our divisions, we have seen the end of a very long period of inventory drawdowns and prices and volumes look to be gradually improving |
| When I look at it on a prior year basis, I would imagine we'll probably be seeing an improvement in the first quarter, again, just looking at order patterns today and so forth |
| But I think between our reliability and the size of our facility and so forth, we would be among the lowest cost producers in North America |
| So free cash flow is clearly going to be better in 2024 than 2023 |
| Second quarter is usually a pretty strong demand for OSB, CWP, insulation, our building materials |
| Our second priority would be to improve our free cash flow generation |
| You did highlight, obviously, the high cost of benzene, but we've certainly gotten a nice respite on natural gas, not only here in the States, but also in Europe |
| Peter Huntsman I believe it's going to just be a continued growth in demand, stability in raw material prices and discipline and finished product pricing |
| Just to piggyback on the last question, in your polyurethane segment, you're expecting better margins in the first quarter |
| It's pretty easy comps to beat |
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| And I think that was really across the board, we had trouble getting blowing agents and for our building solutions, our spray foam |
| That's going to be difficult in '24 as we continue to recover overall |
| I think that as we look at the amount of restocking that is taking place, I believe that when we go back and we look at where the markets were a little over a year ago, we were having a very difficult time fulfilling customer orders |
| I think that there was -- the supply chains built up too much inventory and there was a concern that there wasn't going to be enough production that wasn't going to be the logistics were not in place and pricing was going to go through the roof |
| We had trouble producing enough in means |
| And I think, again, it's -- what was really painful over the last year and half was the deinventory that took place |
| And then just on the aerospace, there was an incident earlier in the quarter that led to the FAA limiting production at the major aircraft manufacturer |
| But again, there's -- I think there's some fundamental issues around Europe on the broader economic perspective when you look at energy and industrial policy |
| That's kind of what we've seen over the last two years or so, China is struggling through COVID and then a rather lethargic recovery in the last year |
| It wasn't necessarily a housing drop to 900,000 units or something like we saw during the Great Recession |
| That's unacceptable, and it's unsustainable |
| In some cases, we lost business competition who are pushing volume over value |
| Should we think about that level of MDI margins in Q1 as sort of the baseline for '24 or could those margins dip again in Q2 because we now see benzene rising, for example, maybe you won't have enough pricing |
| But I still - Europe probably ask me more worried than the U.S |
| Now when the markets turned, I think that it turned certainly more suddenly and took longer to de-inventory than all of us anticipated or maybe some of us didn't anticipated the sort of a drawdown |
| Just looking at -- you called out volumes down against a weaker year-over-year comp |
| And in fact, the volume declines were pretty horrific between the period of third quarter '22 |
| As I look at that sector, the decline over the past several quarters has been -- wasn't gradual |
| I wish we saw the same sort of drop in the European markets |
| I mean we've seen a little bit of a slowdown, Alexi |
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