Earnings Sentiment

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Bullish Statements during Earnings call

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We've seen larger inbound activity growth, and we've seen strong corporate growth, particularly in the Midwest, locations like Detroit and Chicago that are showing high volume
And I think that the back half of this year holds considerable promise for us in the context of sort of economic trends that are playing, which is lower inflation, lower interest rates, and a clear view that the American consumer, in particular, continues to consume travel as an experiential good that they're looking to partake in
And the third and perhaps the most important in the context of this call is an ability to gain productivity and pull costs out of the business
Our confidence is based on the continued stability of the demand and rate environment, the expected benefits of the strategic decision that we made in the fourth quarter regarding our EV fleet, which is also expected to reduce operational distraction, and the continued execution of our enhanced profitability plan
And then we expect enhanced revenue in the context of deploying fewer cars at higher utilization than the cars we're taking out
We have a great foundation to pivot towards improved profitability
So we've got head count actions that are benefiting us coming into the year
The organization delivered Q4 revenue with a strong focus on rate
Revenue per day in the quarter came in better than expected at $58.09, which is slightly better than typical seasonality would yield
Overall, this better than expected rate performance was the product of a relatively stable rate environment in the quarter and underscores that rate for the whole of 2023 remained 40% higher than rate in 2019
More broadly, we expect adjusted corporate EBITDA to benefit from improvements associated with the strategic sale of a third of our EV fleet, as well as the benefits of our productivity and cost initiatives, and as referenced, a focus on the fundamental and improved operational discipline
Against declining vehicle residual values in the fourth quarter and what we might yield on sale, we saw the opportunity for greater returns and the continued deployment of these assets
We expect demand to track to historical seasonal patterns and anticipate supporting RPD through initiatives, such as better monetization of upgrades, incremental value-added services revenue through digital channels, and improved price capture in our value brands
On field productivity, I'm pleased to say the team is energized, it's going
I think that there ought to be heightened confidence in the ability to take the cost out and ascertain the productivity gains as we represented we will do to the tune of $250 million by the end of 2024
It's accelerating, it's expanding, and it's looking very positive
Our modernization continues, we're seeing benefit of the capabilities that were developed last year
As we discussed in our 8-K, we expect the consequences of our Q4 decision to be material and positive on the forward
We expect improved adjusted corporate EBITDA and cash flow over the next two years from that decision
We will also be positioned to better meet customer demand through higher utilization on fewer and less expensive ICE vehicles while maintaining an EV fleet where again supply better meets profitable demand
The opportunities are there and it's exciting to see the momentum continue to build
First of all, leisure business and leisure demand is really quite strong, and we're seeing considerable volumes across the sort of Sunbelt from Florida all the way west to Hawaii, Hawaii making sort of a considerable rebound
So if you think about your revenue intake and you deduct your cost of the car, largely depreciation, you deduct damage and then you look at other expenses, it yields a positive margin, but not near that, which it had initially -- or we had initially intended it to do
This includes growing Rideshare and improving our European and value brand businesses
Our fleet size grew only 9%, resulting in utilization that was 190 basis points higher than 2022, primarily driven by improved out-of-service levels
Our international business increased volume across key customer channels and grew annual revenue by 17% over the prior year
We also made progress in our dollar and thrifty brands where we now have new websites designed to enable improved direct bookings and enhance customer loyalty
Second, we have our efforts to enhance the yield on our core business and the assets deployed against it through a focus on improved revenue management
Some specific progress to note, our team rolled out an improved skip the counter process across all brands in select airports during the quarter, reducing pressure on field employees and improving the customer experience with real opportunity to increase the sale of value added services or vast products through digital channels
And so we saw better performance in the fourth quarter on rate than we had seen, again, on a year-over-year basis in the prior quarters
       

Bearish Statements during earnings call

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And I'd just like to say, while I see $250 million of productivity that I outlined, I'm personally going to be disappointed if we don't do more
Steve, what does transitional year mean, could Hertz lose money, earn cash, test the covenants, I'm getting a lot of questions, a lot of questions from clients on the covenants as another sign of the lack of confidence in the strategy and execution
Adjusted corporate EBITDA for 2023 was $561 million, a 6% margin, which reflected a drag of several hundred basis points related to the EV headwinds previously discussed and further burdened by the charge related to the EV sale plan
All told, fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA was a loss of $382 million, which includes the $245 million of incremental net depreciation expense associated with the EV sales plan
I wanted to ask on the softer trend of earnings in 4Q apart from the onetime charge related to the plan to sell 20,000 electric vehicles
What it was and is experiencing is a cost challenge
And I think you're equally right in the context of uplift to RPD that we can get by virtue of, if you will, removing sort of the worst performers among the EV fleet in terms of RPD and the like
Quickly on carrying costs, weakness in residual values together with the charge we took on the held for sale EVs along with higher interest rates resulted in a higher than expected vehicle carrying cost for the quarter
Excluding net collision and damage and adjusting for extraordinary litigation expense in the fourth quarter of 2022, DOE per transaction day was flat in Q4 versus a year ago and decreased by 8% for the year
I would say that wholly independent of the specific entry categories of expense, and I made this comment earlier, I think the implication has manifested in the fourth quarter of the EV challenge, which in part motivated us to take the charge and the action that we did is the spillover effect and the distraction on the field more broadly
So the real challenge is to get by
And I'll say the one kind of unanimous theme to answer your question is they were concerned about the EVs and having to substitute EVs for consumers that might not otherwise have wanted them
And I think the lesson of this, if you will, is that incremental steps to wrestle down the cost elements of the EVs were not going to work and we're not going to work with the speed of execution that we were comfortable with
Year-over-year RPD reflected a moderating trend relative to prior quarterly comparisons, and the rate of year-over-year decline decelerated
We continued to experience elevated collision and damage in the quarter, largely driven by costs associated with running our EV fleet and perhaps more significantly, the challenge of the EVs had an impact on our operational efficiency more generally, further supporting the advisability of our EV sales plan
Number two, we are this month at our lowest out of service
We pinched off the single largest component of that cost challenge, which is the EVs
And as a consequence and as evident in the fourth quarter, the need to take a big bite out of this issue was one that was in front of us and we took it
But what message do you have for I mean, there's just an army of people betting against Hertz right now and kind of how much worse does that have to get, obviously, we know it gets worse, but kind of is there some kind of without providing guidance, some base or kind of clearing or bottom that you might have some confidence in terms of how -- where that bottom would be this year? That would mean a lot
And obviously, the experience around damage has been elevated
   

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