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| As we go through the next few months, it will likely become clear that the Fed actually will start to reduce the Federal Funds rates, being a much easier monetary policy stance, that is positive for the fixed income market, it's positive for Agency MBS |
| I think as we start 2024, the Agency MBS market is on a decidedly better footing than we have been over the last couple of years |
| That's why as we look at the environment today, mortgage spreads being wide and interest rate volatility potentially coming down set a very positive backdrop for our business |
| So from a total return perspective, they've been great trades |
| We've enjoyed a great house price environment |
| And we've increased our position in Ginnie Securities over the last year or so because they've represented a really good value |
| So there's great opportunities across the coupon stack |
| We find the best return opportunities to be more in the middle to higher coupons, where you have better yield perhaps more negative convexity, but we can manage that negative convexity, but it gives us a better return opportunity |
| Spreads at this level give us a great opportunity to generate really attractive returns for shareholders |
| But I think one of the things that may make this environment uniquely different and positive from our perspective is that even though those will be positive developments, I think they're more positive for the broader fixed income market and not necessarily a catalyst for significant spread tightening |
| So we had a very strong liquidity position, very safe from a leverage perspective |
| And hopefully, interest rate volatility starts to decline and Agency MBS will benefit from all of those positive changes if that occurs |
| And that would also be very positive for our business |
| So against that backdrop over the next year or 2, I would say that the current level is probably the clearing level for mortgages, which would be very good for our business |
| Well, one of the reasons why I think the outlook is turning very, very positive for our business, our fixed income in general, is just the fact that the Fed is now at the transition point in monetary policy |
| They have made the credit, underlying credit quality of those securities, many of which we invested where unrated at the time have improved dramatically |
| So in the environment that we've been operating in more recently, we've been able to issue capital through our at-the-market program, which is a very cost-effective way of selling common stock in the marketplace, at very accretive levels from a book value perspective to our existing shareholders |
| Well, one of the big developments that has been very positive for our business |
| What that means is it gives us a lot of capacity to take advantage of opportunities as they -- as they evolve over the next several months and over the next several years |
| It would be positive for our underlying asset class |
| And they have performed extraordinarily well |
| So that is, if you look back historically, one of the most attractive investment return opportunities we've ever had |
| So we seem to have developed a nice new trend, a nice new channel for mortgage spreads, which may be the new norm, somewhere in the, call it, 140 to 190 basis point range |
| It's a very unique mortgage market from that perspective, one of the most unique ones we've ever experienced because today, as you point out, there are 10 active coupons that you can trade in from 2 all the way up to 6.5 to even to 7 |
| And when we hit that inflection point in 2019, the Fed took a couple of significant steps, which really benefited our business and the liquidity of our asset class |
| We have to be cautious in that environment, but it also can create a very attractive buy-in opportunity |
| And the diversification benefits it brings to their portfolio |
| There's also very interesting opportunities between traditional GSE Agency MBS, UMBS between Freddie and Fannie and Ginnie Mae securities |
| Ginnie Mae's have gotten very, very cheap |
| Treasuries of -- in excess of about 150 basis points seems to be a clearing level where it's, where new capital is coming into the mortgage market, reallocating fixed income from corporates or from treasuries into this asset class that enjoys the benefit of having the full faith of the government's support behind it and its explicit guarantee of support |
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| They got extraordinarily cheap on an average basis relative to history over the last year as bank demand really, really weakened in light of the regional banking crisis |
| Well, there's certainly risk and we've seen this over the last 5 quarters |
| In that environment, mortgages came under significant pressure, not because there was anything uniquely bad happening in the mortgage market |
| There's still uncertainty about the direction of monetary policy because there's still uncertainty about the economic outlook and about inflation |
| So as you're never forced to delever in an adverse environment |
| We've gone from a monetary policy stance that was increasingly restrictive creating a lot of uncertainty for fixed income investors for the last 2 years |
| That shifted about a year ago as the Fed has reduced its footprint in the mortgage market, mortgage spreads have underperformed corporates |
| We've seen episodes in the fixed income market where treasury rates have come under pressure |
| So there are times in the market where liquidity is more challenged and volatility is really high |
| And that often is the case, and there's always a challenge there |
| What also often happens in environments like that is that you would expect interest rate volatility to come down |
| When you think about investing in AGNC stock from a shareholder perspective, you're taking 2 key risks |
| I guess, how do you think about a lot of, there's been a lot of uncertainty about the path of the Fed |
| So that volatility can be costly and can erode returns over the long run |
| In fact, we've seen a low arena of haircuts |
| The challenge over the last couple of years has been that we've been trying to find the new trading level for mortgages |
| So that's why our allocation has been low |
| Because I think the macro backdrop for Agency MBS is the one that's going to drive spreads more long term, which is the fact that the Fed will likely be reducing its mortgage portfolio for a number of years |
| But that's made the fixed income market a little bit more unstable |
| But interest rate volatility does translate to higher costs in our business |
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